Kaysar...are you SHIA or SUNNI? (please answer if you don't mind)

[Kayfan003]

there has been some arguments in here if you are Shia or not. can you please tell us if don't mind? I am so curious. thanks

[Hashman]

Your earlier comment that "NO, I don't think kaysar is shiah. NO WAY. kaysar is a good muslim." shows that Kaysar has done dawah not only to non-Muslims, but also to fellow Muslims. ;)

Besides the http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/ resource I pointed out to you earlier, I would also suggest for you to read some of the fact sheets at http://www.al-islam.org/nutshell/ ...they're shorter and easier to skim through and 'digest'.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

He prays like a Shiah, so therefore he must be Shiah. I don't think a Sunni would pray like a Shiah. :)

[Omer]

his isn't shia, he's an arab and a sunni muslim.

[pax_vobiscum]

His Nephews name is Ali! that's a big hint.

[cyounus]

his isn't shia, he's an arab and a sunni muslim.

Omer, we all know were he is from and FYI there are more Shia there than Sunni. The Sunni population is centered around Bagdad.


His Nephews name is Ali! that's a big hint.

The name Ali would only tell you that he might be muslim. Ali is very popular iwth both Shia and Sunni.

[pax_vobiscum]

Boy,you really think You know it all don't you. Contrary to Islam.

Imam Ali:There are three signs of a knowledgable person:
"knowledge,forbearance and silence"

[cyounus]

Originally posted by pax_vobiscum
Boy,you really think You know it all don't you. Contrary to Islam.

Imam Ali:There are three signs of a knowledgable person:
"knowledge,forbearance and silence"

I do not know if you are reffering to me but I would like to add that you will not find that I have given an opnion on either. To judge a person on their name or where they are from is very small mined.

He has stated that he is a Muslim and that is good enough for me.

By the way, you are not a muslim are you?

[pax_vobiscum]

CY,were you only quoting Omer? It looked like you were saying
'he isn't shia,he's an Arab and a Sunni Muslim'. read it again.
You must use the quote button or the remarks are going to be attributed
to you.:)

You obviously do not understand the finer points of Islam. if that is the
the level of your understanding you would do well to return to the study of the
Noble Qur'an. I was not Judgeing the child's name nor any geographical
location. (You are projecting you own tendency to judge people.)I was
using my God given intelligence to recognize a possible connection or relationship.
No judgement!!!

Why would you be interested in my belief system? What possible business could it be of yours? Are you wondering about my name? judgeing me in
some way? not all Muslims are alike.You are proof.

[Kayfan003]

Originally posted by Omer
his isn't shia, he's an arab and a sunni muslim.

it is OBVIOUS that kaysar is Arab and Muslim. the name ALI is common name among muslim society in many different countries. but I really think that he is Sunni just lookin at his family when they showed them at that one eposide. somehow, I made myself believe that kaysar is Sunni. well, I still hope he answers my question.. maybe it is just too personal OR what...come on kaysar.. REPLY

[Ali al-Mahdi]

Since when do Sunnis pray with their arms down? I didn't know Ridha was a common Sunni name either!!! It's the name of the 8th Imam (AS)!

[Kayfan003]

Originally posted by AliMahdi
Since when do Sunnis pray with their arms down? I didn't know Ridha was a common Sunni name either!!! It's the name of the 8th Imam (AS)!

some muslims pray with their arms down and I don't think it depends whether they are sunni or shia. my family is sunni and my grandfather prays with his arms down. it is not mandatory to pray with your arms crossed on your chest. but it is very recommanded sunah and if people choose to do that there is nothing wrong with it.

[Taelyn]

Ok I know next to nothing about any of this but I have a question.

Does it really matter is he is Sunni or Shia ? Is there some pertinant difference Im not aware of ? Is one better to be then the other?

I have seen this question posed in another thread as well, and I really dont see the significance. What does it matter if he prays with arms up or down ? is one considered better, stricter religious practices ??
Or is it as simple as simply having different speach patterns like those in the Southern states in America.

And Im asking really because I simply dont understand or appreciate the difference.

It true there are many different kinds of christians as well , but I have never seen where it mattered much as long as one is happy, and devoted in there love of Christ .

[Kayfan003]

Originally posted by Taelyn
Ok I know next to nothing about any of this but I have a question.

Does it really matter is he is Sunni or Shia ? Is there some pertinant difference Im not aware of ? Is one better to be then the other?

I have seen this question posed in another thread as well, and I really dont see the significance. What does it matter if he prays with arms up or down ? is one considered better, stricter religious practices ??
Or is it as simple as simply having different speach patterns like those in the Southern states in America.

And Im asking really because I simply dont understand or appreciate the difference.

It true there are many different kinds of christians as well , but I have never seen where it mattered much as long as one is happy, and devoted in there love of Christ .

YES! It does matter whether he is Sunni or Shi, or some other parts of Islam (trust me there many parts that exist in world now). However, All Muslims share the basic beliefs of Islam and practice the holy book of Koran. Yet, there are still a lot little differences among the parts. for non-Muslim person like you, it will be very hard for you to understand these differences. However, these differences are very important and give the conclusion why one part is better or more right than the other.

[Kaysar]

I am Muslim.

If you want to discuss differences between shia and sunni Islam, that can be done over U2U, IM, text messaging, or every email. Please don't cause division in this forum... there is plenty of that elsewhere. Here's an idea. Let us look past the titles for one second and learn to stop preaching and start listening. Everyone has something to bring to the table. Once we start labeling people that's where we lose focus. Trust me; there is enough to worry about. Once we sort out the 1048394783 problems we have then I promise you I'll start a thread about denominations and sects. There we can discuss this issue until the carpel tunnel sets in.
Here are some questions you should be asking. Why is it that we occupy our time discussing differences amongst Muslims when most Muslims are unaware of the basic pillars of Islam? Why do we fight amongst ourselves when we should encourage positive thought and enlighten our youth and teach them the tools to fight the pressures of society? Why do we choose to point fingers when problem arises instead of creating think-tank to advance ourselves? Why don't we don't pull our communities together to eradicate social dysfunction and make this a better place to live? How do we find the time to pass out flyers and attend protests when we can't seem find enough time in the day to have a healthy conversation with the person next you who doesn't share your point of view?

…Because we are too busy asking the wrong questions.

Thank You,
Kaysar

[Debookwrm]

I had no idea that there were different denominations (is that the right word?) among Muslims. And just like the Southern Baptist and the Baptists and the Fundamentalist Baptist (and I'm leaving some out) there are disagreements. Interesting, but I don't want to fight either.

To quote Hilary Clinton, and I don't usually do that, "it takes a village."

Peace and love to all,
Deb

[cyounus]

Assalam o Alaikum,
Kaysar.
I want to thank you publicly for your addressing this issue. When I wrote to you yesterday It had not gotten this bad. However, with the exception of your debate, the threads have been very good. People are asking those questions and in most part receiving answers with Surah.

Wassalam
C. Younus

[Noor]

Originally posted by Kaysar
I am Muslim.

If you want to discuss differences between shia and sunni Islam, that can be done over U2U, IM, text messaging, or every email. Please don't cause division in this forum... there is plenty of that elsewhere. Here's an idea. Let us look past the titles for one second and learn to stop preaching and start listening. Everyone has something to bring to the table. Once we start labeling people that's where we lose focus. Trust me; there is enough to worry about. Once we sort out the 1048394783 problems we have then I promise you I'll start a thread about denominations and sects. There we can discuss this issue until the carpel tunnel sets in.
Here are some questions you should be asking. Why is it that we occupy our time discussing differences amongst Muslims when most Muslims are unaware of the basic pillars of Islam? Why do we fight amongst ourselves when we should encourage positive thought and enlighten our youth and teach them the tools to fight the pressures of society? Why do we choose to point fingers when problem arises instead of creating think-tank to advance ourselves? Why don't we don't pull our communities together to eradicate social dysfunction and make this a better place to live? How do we find the time to pass out flyers and attend protests when we can't seem find enough time in the day to have a healthy conversation with the person next you who doesn't share your point of view?

…Because we are too busy asking the wrong questions.

Thank You,
Kaysar

MashaAllah, well said Kaysar.

Like Kaysar said, there are many major topics to discuss and resolve issues than to talk about who belongs to which sect. Let's be united and not cause differences. Let's not get our selves lost in the sect war as it will only hurt and cause further division.

[cyounus]

P_V,
I apologize if I misunderstood your post.

[redbaron]

Originally posted by Kaysar
Here are some questions you should be asking. Why is it that we occupy our time discussing differences amongst Muslims when most Muslims are unaware of the basic pillars of Islam? Why do we fight amongst ourselves when we should encourage positive thought and enlighten our youth and teach them the tools to fight the pressures of society? Why do we choose to point fingers when problem arises instead of creating think-tank to advance ourselves? Why don't we don't pull our communities together to eradicate social dysfunction and make this a better place to live? How do we find the time to pass out flyers and attend protests when we can't seem find enough time in the day to have a healthy conversation with the person next you who doesn't share your point of view?

…Because we are too busy asking the wrong questions.

Thank You,
Kaysar

As a Christian those are the same questions we ALL need to be asking ourselves. Too many times we get hung up in labels and forget the big picture. Several years ago I started working with a Muslim woman and she had a lot of different beliefs than my own. However, she allowed me to express my opinion and I allowed her to express hers. We've found we have more similarities to each other than we first thought...just a different way (method, custom, whatever you want to call it) of worshipping our God. This forum here has helped me open my eyes more to differences with my friend and other Muslims as well as differences in myself that I didn't recognize.

I want to thank those posting here for their information and insight and hope they continue to remain open to teaching as well as learning from others.

[Wandamh]

Thank you Kaysar,

You've hit the nail on the head.

People need to stop preaching and start listening.

[canadaloveskaysar]

Thanks Kaysar,
Great post. who cares what he is ! Hes human and a great one at that.

Is it going to make you change your mind about him when or if you get your answer ??? I hope not cause that would mean your racist

[sonshine]

That is so well said Kaysar, we need more peaceful talking and understanding of one another. and loving each other. Not judging or questioning one another....That is why you have skyrocketed to fame, your calm, intellectual perspective on things. There need to be more of you. Calm, thinking, moral, gentlepeople across our world.

Bless you Kaysar!
Cindy

[Ali al-Mahdi]

Great post, Kaysar. Muslim unity!
I apologize to everyone if you have been offended by anything I've said.
I don't make a big deal about Shiah-Sunni differences but I was trying to answer Kayfan003.

[hajer]

Please u guys does it really matter if he is shia or sunni..... All I care about it that Kaysar showed everyone in the world that all muslims are good people...... :) and that our arab man are hot looking .."joking" :P

Thanks
Hajer
http://www.myspace.com/hajer83

[Kay]

Division is what is wrong in this world.
I'm more in favor of mutual respect, understanding, and acceptance of people, even if there are differences.

[Kayfan003]

Originally posted by Kaysar
I am Muslim.

If you want to discuss differences between shia and sunni Islam, that can be done over U2U, IM, text messaging, or every email. Please don't cause division in this forum... there is plenty of that elsewhere. Here's an idea. Let us look past the titles for one second and learn to stop preaching and start listening. Everyone has something to bring to the table. Once we start labeling people that's where we lose focus. Trust me; there is enough to worry about. Once we sort out the 1048394783 problems we have then I promise you I'll start a thread about denominations and sects. There we can discuss this issue until the carpel tunnel sets in.
Here are some questions you should be asking. Why is it that we occupy our time discussing differences amongst Muslims when most Muslims are unaware of the basic pillars of Islam? Why do we fight amongst ourselves when we should encourage positive thought and enlighten our youth and teach them the tools to fight the pressures of society? Why do we choose to point fingers when problem arises instead of creating think-tank to advance ourselves? Why don't we don't pull our communities together to eradicate social dysfunction and make this a better place to live? How do we find the time to pass out flyers and attend protests when we can't seem find enough time in the day to have a healthy conversation with the person next you who doesn't share your point of view?

…Because we are too busy asking the wrong questions.

Thank You,
Kaysar


Kaysar,

I am glad that you finally responded. I apologized for asking inappropriate questions and I understand that there is place to talk about them. My intention of creating this thread was not to bring the differences and divisions among Muslims into this forum. I guess I was carried away when some people posted some replies that I though I should address it. However, it doesn’t really matter to me to know whether you are Sunni or Shia cause it is none of my business. I was just curious about that. Anyway, you are Muslim and that is a good enough. So, lets “learn to stop preaching and start listening”- kaysar. Should I change the topic name to…

Thank you
KayFan

[Nadirah]

As Salamu Alaikum Kaysar and All,

As this debate began a few days ago, I became concerned. We have seen throughout our lives how people are kept weak and powerless by keeping us divided - "Divide and Conquer". I just read a beautiful email from Justme on the Islam vs. Muslim thread where they said:

“I see your point here and I agree "Muslim" should not be included when describing a terrorist. They are terrorists period. I think the problem is that the terrorists use Islam as an excuse for their "war". They call themselves Muslims. Personally I don’t buy it, to me they are just plain evil and can not possibly be considered "religious". No religion would sanction the murder of innocents.

I know very little about Islam and what I do know I have mostly learned from assorted shows on The Discovery Channel and the small amount of research I have done on the internet. I dont know how accurate any of it is. What I do know is I NEVER bought into the Terrorists "idea" of Islam. I may be ignorant about the religion but I am not ignorant of evil and evil is not born from ANY religion.

From the minute I saw Kaysar on BB I was rooting for him, because I wanted to see him succeed in the game based on his personality and game play, not on his religion or nationality. I was afraid he would be evicted for just those reasons and I did not want to be disappointed in my fellow Christian Americans. Unfortunately I was disappointed by some...we all know who. I like to believe that most of us (non-muslims) can see past the terrorists claims of religion, sadly too many cannot.”

When we look at the larger picture, we can see the divisions might be there (as on BB6) between those trying to promote a moral, ethical, positive life vs those who see primarily the negative side of life and dwell there. All who strive to live according to God’s laws have something in common no matter whether we be Jew, Christian, Muslim…

Thank you to all for the uplifting messages. My day has started well and hopeful. Alhamdulillah – Praise God.

Nadirah

[pebblz]

Originally posted by Kayfan003
Originally posted by AliMahdi
Since when do Sunnis pray with their arms down? I didn't know Ridha was a common Sunni name either!!! It's the name of the 8th Imam (AS)!

some muslims pray with their arms down and I don't think it depends whether they are sunni or shia. my family is sunni and my grandfather prays with his arms down. it is not mandatory to pray with your arms crossed on your chest. but it is very recommanded sunah and if people choose to do that there is nothing wrong with it.

actually the one thing that i noticed when kaysar was praying is that he had some sort of a rock in the middle of the carpet which indicates that he is shia. the only thing i know about the differences between sunni and shia is that they believe different things. i cannot ellaborate because i dont know too much about the subject, but they also have similarities, aside from the fact that they each pray differently in formation, they do believe in the same thing for the most part. ie they both believe in the quran, they both believe in one god, both fast in the month of ramadan etc. this topic really isnt that important pending on which way u look at it. the way i see it is a muslim whether shia or sunni is still muslim

[LytlBit86]

Originally posted by Nadirah
As Salamu Alaikum Kaysar and All,

As this debate began a few days ago, I became concerned. We have seen throughout our lives how people are kept weak and powerless by keeping us divided - "Divide and Conquer". I just read a beautiful email from Justme on the Islam vs. Muslim thread where they said:

“I see your point here and I agree "Muslim" should not be included when describing a terrorist. They are terrorists period. I think the problem is that the terrorists use Islam as an excuse for their "war". They call themselves Muslims. Personally I don’t buy it, to me they are just plain evil and can not possibly be considered "religious". No religion would sanction the murder of innocents.

I know very little about Islam and what I do know I have mostly learned from assorted shows on The Discovery Channel and the small amount of research I have done on the internet. I dont know how accurate any of it is. What I do know is I NEVER bought into the Terrorists "idea" of Islam. I may be ignorant about the religion but I am not ignorant of evil and evil is not born from ANY religion.

From the minute I saw Kaysar on BB I was rooting for him, because I wanted to see him succeed in the game based on his personality and game play, not on his religion or nationality. I was afraid he would be evicted for just those reasons and I did not want to be disappointed in my fellow Christian Americans. Unfortunately I was disappointed by some...we all know who. I like to believe that most of us (non-muslims) can see past the terrorists claims of religion, sadly too many cannot.”

When we look at the larger picture, we can see the divisions might be there (as on BB6) between those trying to promote a moral, ethical, positive life vs those who see primarily the negative side of life and dwell there. All who strive to live according to God’s laws have something in common no matter whether we be Jew, Christian, Muslim…

Thank you to all for the uplifting messages. My day has started well and hopeful. Alhamdulillah – Praise God.

Nadirah

That was wonderfully put! I was discussing the same topic with a friend who says she believes in what she calls, "Religious Plurality". I love it and have been saying it ever since. It really shouldn't matter what your specific religious denomination is, the same basic teachings of love, kindness and tolerance are taught throughout most every religion. You find what you believe, what works for you, and you live your life. I think that's what some people have missed when they read their bible.

Lots of Luv!!
-Beth

[Taelyn]

Thankyou Kayfan003

Yes I do understand there are differences I just didnt understand why Its important in this forum.

And It seems Kaysar agrees, If it must be a factor then perhaps there is a time and place for it. I see no reason for making it an Issue here.

What IS Important is that he is true to Himself and and His beliefs.
And Is an amazing Man , and a wonderful representitive of His faith.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

actually the one thing that i noticed when kaysar was praying is that he had some sort of a rock in the middle of the carpet which indicates that he is shia

The "rock" is called a torbah or sajdeghah. I forgot to note that as well.

Therefore celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and be of those who prostrate themselves in adoration (Qur'an 15:98)

The Shi'ah Muslims prefer to prostrate on a small block of earth, called a Torbah, which is usually made from clay from the land of Karbala in Iraq.

According to the Shi'ah Jaafari fiqh - which is one of the five main schools of law in Islam - prostration must be performed on pure earth or what grows on it, provided that it is not eaten or worn. This includes dust, stone, sand and grass, provided that it is not a mineral. Prostration on paper is permitted, because it is made of a material which grows on earth, but not cloth or carpets. It is based on the Sunnah (tradition) of the Prophet Mohammad (S).

See: "Why do the Shi'ah prostrate on Turbah?": http://al-islam.org/nutshell/

Let's not fight, let's unite!

[IowaGal1975]

I will admit I know very little about what being a Muslim is about, but since Kaysar himself answered it, I'm going to take that and leave it at that.

[-diana-]

Question: I know that Ramadan started, but why does Shia began a day after the Sunnis do?

[Hashman]

Originally posted by -diana-
Question: I know that Ramadan started, but why does Shia began a day after the Sunnis do?
Because they sometimes follow different methods of sighting the moon. Even among the Shias (or the Sunnis), there are often differences about the first day.

Here in the Toronto area, though, most Shias and Sunnis are beginning on the same day (Wednesday).

[cyounus]

Hashman,
I have alway known that there are diff. ways but I don't know WHAT they are. Do you? and can you Explain? We are in Detroit now and they started on Tue.

[-diana-]

Originally posted by Hashman
Originally posted by -diana-
Question: I know that Ramadan started, but why does Shia began a day after the Sunnis do?
Because they sometimes follow different methods of sighting the moon. Even among the Shias (or the Sunnis), there are often differences about the first day.

Here in the Toronto area, though, most Shias and Sunnis are beginning on the same day (Wednesday).

Thank you for answering my question. Because of the tragic event that happened today in Iraq, (in the Shia mosque), I heard that today was the first day of fasting for Shia and the Sunnis started yesturday. I was just curious as to why that is. Thanks.

[Hashman]

Originally posted by cyounus
Hashman,
I have alway known that there are diff. ways but I don't know WHAT they are. Do you? and can you Explain? We are in Detroit now and they started on Tue.
Some different methods of determining the first of the month that I'm aware of:
1) if the new moon is sighted locally
2) if the new moon is sighted in the region
3) if the new moon is sighted somewhere east of you
4) if the new moon is sighted in a place that shares the same horizon
5) if the new moon is sighted anywhere in the world

In addition to these, some Muslims use scientific evidence while others do not. For example, the scientific info at http://www.moonsighting.com/ shows that it was impossible to sight it anywhere in the world on Monday night. One of the largest (Sunni) Muslim organizations in North America, ISNA (http://www.isna.net/), took the position that they would accept a confirmed sighting in North America [or somewhere east of here] as long as it did not contradict indisputable astronomical information. So because of that position, they did not accept the claim from the Middle East that the moon was sighted on Monday (which would make Tuesday the first day or Ramadan) and instead declared Wednesday to be the first day. Another large organization in North America, ICNA (http://www.icna.org), also declared Wednesday to be the first day. On the other hand, those Muslims following the 3rd/4th/5th methods I listed above and ignoring the scientific data began Ramadan on Tuesday.

I don't know about the Sunnis in Europe, but many of the Shias in Europe will not begin Ramadan until tomorrow (Thursday) because according to the astronomical data it was impossible to sight the moon there until tonight.

The moon sighting for the new month is done every 29-30 days, for each month...but it's always just Ramadan that gets so much controversy. Silly Muslims. :P :D

[cyounus]

Would it be wrong if we just all followed Mecca. Then everone would start on the same day

[Hashman]

Originally posted by cyounus
Would it be wrong if we just all followed Mecca. Then everone would start on the same day
I'm sure that you know that it's virtually impossible to get unanimity from all the various kinds of Muslims in matters of fiqh (jurisprudence). While it would be nice to have everyone united on one single day, the way the Saudis determine the first of the month is wrong according to many other Muslims.

[cyounus]

I know but what a nice thought is was ;););)

[Hashman]

Some moon sighting related humor:

Moon Decision
Written by: Hamzah Moin

*It was a dark and cloudless night. Two people were in charge of making one of the most important decisions of the year.*


Musa: Well...?
Imaad: I don't see anything.
Musa: How can you not see anything? You are a fool.
Imaad: Okay fine take the binoculars. LOOK for yourself.
Musa: Yeah you're right... I don't see anything either.
Imaad: Looks like no Eid tomorrow.
Musa: No way. I booked off work tomorrow and not Friday. Eid MUST be tomorrow. It has to be.
Imaad: What? Look man! Read 'em and weep! There is no moon!
Musa: No... we just can't see it. It's there. I know.
Imaad: WHAT? You have to SEE the moon in order for it to count.
Musa: Lalalalalalalalala I'm not listening Lalalalalala.
Imaad: Oh grow up, you're such a baby.
Musa: No you're the baby!
Imaad: Oooooh wah wah wah Eid must be tomorrow wah wah wah I can't book off work wah wah wah
Musa: Shut up!
Imaad: Make me... baby.
Musa: I could kick your butt whenver, wherever and however I want.
Imaad: Whatever. You're all talk and no action. It's no wonder you only got 8 votes while I got 11 for mosque president.
Musa: SHUT UP man I didn't know families are allowed to vote!
Imaad: Hahah stupid. Yeah man they are. You could have won with that gigantic family of yours. How many kids you got again? 6? 7?
Musa: 8 actually. Even I lose count sometimes lol.
Imaad: Did you just say lol?
Musa: Yeah.
Imaad: Well you better go home and tell your family there's no Eid. Just another ho-hum day.
Musa: Actually I already told my family it's Eid. My wife did all the cooking already.
Imaad: So why did you come out here tonight?
Musa: Oh to get a breath of fresh air.
Imaad: So you didn't care if you saw the moon or not... you were going to celebrate Eid tomorrow anyway?
Musa: Pretty much.
Imaad: Idiot.

*A mysterious figure emerges from the woods. It was man who was very short and balding. Most likely a doctor.*


Dr. Nasim: Good evening gentlemen.
Musa: What the? Dr. Nasim? Where'd you come from?
Dr. Nasim: That is besides the point ... the point is that I have some alarming news.
Imaad: Really? How alarming.
Dr. Nasim: EXTREMELY alarming.
Musa: Go ahead doc.
Dr. Nasim: Basically we can't see the moon from our location.
Imaad: Aha!
Musa: What! No way? Don't see you it? It's right there!
Imaad: That's not a moon you idiot, that's a jetplane.
Musa: Whatever. What makes you so sure there's no moon Doc?
Dr. Nasim: Elementary my dear Watson. It is scientifically impossible.
Musa: WHAT?
Dr. Nasim: It is scientifically impossible.
Musa: I heard what you said you fool.
Imaad: You can't argue with that man. Once its scientifically impossible you're screwed.
Musa: What if science is wrong?
Dr. Nasim: Well you are more than welcome to prove me wrong.
Musa: Yeah? You're more than welcome to shut up.
Imaad: Now Musa, that's not nice.
Musa: Hey I don't care. It's not Ramadan anymore. It's Eid. No more Mr. Nice Guy!
Imaad: But it's not Eid.
Musa: Lalalalalalalala
Dr. Nasim: It's okay Imaad. We'll celebrate on the right day.
Imaad: Well being Mosque President I shall put the date of Eid on Friday because there was no moon sighting.
Musa: I swear if I won you'd SO be praying on Thursday.
Imaad: Well Musa, the problem is... you lost.
Dr. Nasim: Elle oh elle.
Musa: Man, whatever. Fine I'll pray Friday I guess I have no choice but just know you guys are idiots.
Imaad: Well now that the decision is made, we can go home.

*Just before the three men were going to leave, another mysterious figure steps out of the woods*


Saudi Contact: Excuse me guys?
Musa: Who are you?
Saudi Contact: I'm the guy in the community who mysteriously has a lot of links to Saudi.
Imaad: Oh hey man.
Saudi Contact: 'sup 'sup
Musa: So what's the news?
Saudi Contact: Well I got word from the Saudi Government that we're praying on Thursday.
Imaad: WHAT? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
Musa: Cha-ching. Jackpot.
Dr. Nasim: This is scientifically ridiculous. Saudi has zero percent chance of seeing the moon.
Saudi Contact: Not anymore.
Imaad: Well I guess I can't complain. After all... it's Saudi. I'm sure they're doing it for the right reason.
Saudi Contact: Actually it's because it's expensive to do two khutbahs on the same day (Juma) and since we're running out of oil we're trying to cut costs.
Musa: Oh that makes sense.
Imaad: Hmmm I don't agree with this. Since there's two for Thursday and two for Friday we're going to have to do the most logical thing.
Saudi Contact: And what's that?
Imaad: We'll have to flip a coin. Heads for Thursday. Tails for Friday.
Musa: I call Tails!
Imaad: You don't call it you idiot, it's already been set.
Musa: Fine.
Dr. Nasim: God help us all.

*Imaad flips the coin in the air*


Saudi Contact: What is it?
Imaad: Dammit... Heads. Eid on Thursday.
Musa: Cha-ching. Jackpot.
Dr. Nasim: Best two out of three!
Saudi Contact: No it is settled. Eid is settled.
Dr. Nasim: Imaad you fool. You're the president! Do something!
Imaad: I can't... the coin.
Dr. Nasim: This is scientifically stupid.
Saudi Contact: Shut up. Eid on Thursday. It's settled.
Dr. Nasim: But the moon!?
Musa: It's there. Don't you see?
Imaad: That's a jetplane again you idiot.
Saudi Contact: Well you saw something in the sky right? Good enough.
Dr. Nasim: But there is no moon?
Saudi Contact: You want a moon? HUH? Here it is.
...
Dr. Nasim: Oh my
Imaad: Ewwww
Musa: Hahah good one Saudi.
:)

Taken from http://www.maniacmuslim.com/Moon_Decision.html

[cyounus]

That was good but do you wonder how close to the truth it is :):):)

[phoenix]

I work in a large University hospital that 10,000 people walk through everyday. We are all shades of the spectrum and are of every nationality, sect and creed. We come together daily for one purpose, i.e. to give of ourselves in love to care for those who need us and grow in medical knowledge. A Muslim resident and I were fortunate to meet when he rotated though pediatric endocrinology. A year before his son died suddenly of a heart problem. I remembered seeing him and his son in our pediatric lab one day just before he died. When he finally had healed some, he came to our department for a month to learn about endocrinology. We became friends and were able to share our true selves since my son had died also at an earlier time. Although we came from different backgrounds, we shared a common bound. We saw each others souls and they knew no differences.