Sin & God

[Kay]

I remember reading somewhere that in Islam, personal sin does not offend God, that he is too far above us to be concerned with when we sin, when a person sins, it affects the person, not God.

Is this true? Or is one of those things where Islam is misunderstood?

[cyounus]

Kay, you know the old saying

A sin is a sin. It's true even in Islam

[Kay]

And is offensive to God. That's what I thought. Another where the author didn't know.
Thanks.

[cyounus]

Kay,
anytime I do not give you a surah and you want it just ask. I will always provide it to you.

[Kay]

Thank you, Cyounus. I truly appreciate that.

[Ladyjinx]

Well i can see how it would affect the person and not God...God is not the one who sinned.
But i also see how that would be between God and the sinner.
I do think there is a difference in sin. For instance if i get it right impure thoughts is a sin. I think impure thoughts are much better then murder.
Both sins but different degrees of sins.

[Kay]

All I know is what it says in Proverbs: 6:16-19.
There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes (scornful/prideful), a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

What I've learned thus far is the same things are frowned upon in Islam. Maybe Cyonous can give some of those Surah's to back this up, thus showing even more similarities between the two faiths.

[Ladyjinx]

I'm gonna bump this up , cuz i would like to see some opinions on this.

[Winter80-sara]

I think personally that a sin is a sin and that even though murder seems worse than another sin that God may think differntly. Maybe God thinks all sins are equal. But i could be completely wrong

[cyounus]

I believe this it is what was they were reffering to as personal sin:

[4:109] Here you are arguing on their behalf in this world; who is going to argue with GOD on their behalf on the Day of Resurrection? Who is going to be their advocate?

[4:110] Anyone who commits evil, or wrongs his soul, then implores GOD for forgiveness, will find GOD Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[4:111] Anyone who earns a sin, earns it to the detriment of his own soul. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

[4:112] Anyone who earns a sin, then accuses an innocent person thereof, has committed a blasphemy and a gross offense.

[4:113] If it were not for GOD's grace towards you, and His mercy, some of them would have misled you. They only mislead themselves, and they can never harm you in the least. GOD has sent down to you the scripture and wisdom, and He has taught you what you never knew. Indeed, GOD's blessings upon you have been great.

[cyounus]

I would like to add the following on sin. Sin effects everyone.

[2:92] Moses went to you with profound miracles, yet you worshipped the calf in his absence, and you turned wicked.

[2:93] We made a covenant with you, as we raised Mount Sinai above you, saying, "You shall uphold the commandments we have given you, strongly, and listen." They said, "We hear, but we disobey." Their hearts became filled with adoration for the calf, due to their disbelief. Say, "Miserable indeed is what your faith dictates upon you, if you do have any faith."

[3:133] You should eagerly race towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise whose width encompasses the heavens and the earth; it awaits the righteous,

[3:134] who give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable.

[3:135] If they fall in sin or wrong their souls, they remember GOD and ask forgiveness for their sins - and who forgives the sins except GOD - and they do not persist in sins, knowingly.

[3:136] Their recompense is forgiveness from their Lord, and gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. What a blessed reward for the workers!

[Ladyjinx]

I just dont see how all sins could be equal.............but then i'm not God :P

[cyounus]

Ok, Lady and Winter

Try this, not all acts of sin are equal but sin in it self is equal and the redemption is the same, you must ask for foregiveness. One may be killed when they commit murder but only serve 10-15 for robbery. The punisment is diff. per act of sin.

[Ladyjinx]

OK thanks Cyounus that makes much better sense to me :)

[Hashman]

In Islam, sins are categorized into two type: major sins, and minor sins.

Some of the most major sins include:
1- To associate a partner for Allah
2- Murder
3- The curse of the parents
4- To escape from Holy Struggle
5- To devour the orphan's property
6- Usury
7- False accusation of unchastity to an immaculate woman
8- Fornication
9- Sodomy
10- Theft
11- Consuming the flesh of a corpse
12- To consume blood
13- To eat the flesh of swine, pig
14- To eat the flesh of an animal slaughtered without mentioning Allah's name
15- To defraud whether by scale or by measure
16- Gambling
17- A false attestation
18- Despair from the grace of Allah
19- To feel secured from the punishment of Allah
20- To assist the evil-doers
21- To rely on the tyrants
22- To swear falsely
23- Rancour and deceit
24- To restrain from giving others' rights
25- To tell a lie
26- To behave arrogantly
27- Immoderation and extravagance.
28- Treachery
29- Making little of Hajj
30- To fight against Allah's saints
31- To be busy with diversion and play
32- Magic and whatever causes trouble for others
33- To drink wine


The Quran says:
"If you shun the great sins which you are forbidden, We will do away with your small sins and cause you to enter an honorable place of entering (i.e., paradise)." [4:31]

[Ladyjinx]

what is "The curse of the parents"?

[cyounus]

disrespecting your parients. the treatment of you parents is a BIG deal in Islam

[Ladyjinx]

wow you even have major sins listed, is that from teh Quran?
There are alot more then 10 listed there lol.

[cyounus]

Not all sins are listed in the Quran but the Hadith tell us of some of the major and minor sins.

[Ladyjinx]

ok the Hadith is a seperate book?

[Hashman]

Originally posted by Ladyjinx
ok the Hadith is a seperate book?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith
There's lots of good info about Hadiths there.

[cyounus]

Hadiths are the sayings of the Prophet and the Sunnahs are the Prophet's example.

Personally speaking only---- I try not to use Hadiths and Sunnahs when I answer questions because not all can be verified. Hadiths and Sunnahs were not put on paper until about 200 years after the Prophet had died. They had always been passed down through the years as stories. However most have been verified and can be used with assurance.

[Kay]

Hate tp keep a thread going that should die down and give way to new ones but . . . .
wanted to thank all of you for posting . . .
Cyonous for the surahs and Hashman for his valuable and knowledgeable input.

[cyounus]

THANK YOU :) you and Lady adn Winter, and Deb and the others makes this so pleasureable.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

An example of a hadith from Imam Hosain (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Mohammad (S), that I think is very true. :(

It is narrated that Imam Hosain (AS) has said:

Verily, people are the slaves of the world and their religion is superficial, only on their tongues. They are attentive to it as long as their material benefits
are provided, but when they are tested, the number of true devotees dwindles.

A Bundle of Flowers from the Garden of Traditions of the Prophet and Ahl al-Bait (AS)
Page 205
Ayatollah Sayyed Kamal Faghih Imani
Translated by Sayyed Abbas Sadr-Ameli

[cyounus]

Ali,
That is so sweet but sadly so true.

[Kay]

That's true in any religion I think. In Christianity, it's called "Conforming to the image of the world"