The Headscarf (Hijab)

[alexandria]

Hey, everyone. I was just wondering what the Muslim posters here though about wearing/not wearing headscarves. I know quite a few Muslim women (myself included) who do their prayers and dress modestly, but do not cover their hair. Growing up, my parents never forced it upon me and always taught me that it was a choice. So my question: is it mandatory or is it up to the individual?

Thanks in advance :)

[Taibah]

Salaam alexandria

This topic is one that always gets the "two sides" of the topic heated up :)

Personally I believe that anything in the religion is a choice, we have the choice to follow or not. While there are some things in Islam that have different opinions (scholarly opinions) on, so you can take the opinion that is most in-line with your thinking. (Such as different schools of thought etc)

When searching to understand if hijab was mandatory, I found that it was, all the major scholars in Islam have said so. Now comes the choice part. I agree that your parents are correct, it is your choice to put the hijab on or not. Like it is your choice to eat pork or not, to pray or not, to fast or not, etc (I think you get my point LOL)

But it comes down to wearing it to please Allah and following the commandments given to believers or choosing to not follow this commandment.

I do not judge a persons belief by the fact if they wear the scarf or not, but rather by their actions.

ma'salaama
Taibah

[snowman]

Originally posted by Taibah
Salaam alexandria

This topic is one that always gets the "two sides" of the topic heated up :)

Personally I believe that anything in the religion is a choice, we have the choice to follow or not. While there are some things in Islam that have different opinions (scholarly opinions) on, so you can take the opinion that is most in-line with your thinking. (Such as different schools of thought etc)

When searching to understand if hijab was mandatory, I found that it was, all the major scholars in Islam have said so. Now comes the choice part. I agree that your parents are correct, it is your choice to put the hijab on or not. Like it is your choice to eat pork or not, to pray or not, to fast or not, etc (I think you get my point LOL)

But it comes down to wearing it to please Allah and following the commandments given to believers or choosing to not follow this commandment.

I do not judge a persons belief by the fact if they wear the scarf or not, but rather by their actions.

ma'salaama
Taibah

Hi Taibah!

Just to be a little clear can you please define Hijab?

Is it covering whole body from head to toe?

Is it covering whole body except hair, hands and feet? (Covering face is not required)

Is it covering whole body except face, hair, hands and feet? Meaning you can leave your face and hair uncovered?

Thanks.

[snowman]

Originally posted by Kabbalist
Originally posted by snowman

Just to be a little clear can you please define Hijab?

Is it covering whole body from head to toe?

Is it covering whole body except hair, hands and feet? (Covering face is not required)

Is it covering whole body except face, hair, hands and feet? Meaning you can leave your face and hair uncovered?

Thanks. The hijab is a head scarf. Covers the head, hair and I think even the neck.

Well,

From wikipedia.com

"Hijab is the word used in the Islamic context for the practice of dressing modestly" (which probably means it is not just head scarf but a full fledge dress code)

That is why I wanted to understand what it means to dress "modelstly"?

I'm asking this because I have seen different muslim women dressing differently. Like in Afghansitan, women cover themselves from Head to Toe, in Saudi Arabia, they cover from head to toe but leave an opening for eyes, in Iran they cover their hair but leave hands uncovered. In Turkey, women don't cover their hair.

Thanks

[Taibah]

Originally posted by Kabbalist


Just to be a little clear can you please define Hijab?

Is it covering whole body from head to toe?

Is it covering whole body except hair, hands and feet? (Covering face is not required)

Is it covering whole body except face, hair, hands and feet? Meaning you can leave your face and hair uncovered?

Thanks.

Actually the full version of hijab encompasses many things, it is the covering of the body (loose clothing as to not show the shape of the body) and hair (hands and face can be exposed) but also ones actions as well. If a woman is covering her actions should also be modest. Hijab has become a word for the actual scarf but it is actually the "whole package" There is a hijab for men as well, Men should always cover from their navel to their knees. If you recall Kaysar always wore extra long shorts in the house :)

Taibah

[Taibah]

ooops posting at the same time

I'm asking this because I have seen different muslim women dressing differently. Like in Afghansitan, women cover themselves from Head to Toe, in Saudi Arabia, they cover from head to toe but leave an opening for eyes, in Iran they cover their hair but leave hands uncovered. In Turkey, women don't cover their hair.


This is just a cultural practice the different types of dress, the basic requirements is garments that cover your shape and covering of the hair (for ladies) Some choose to go further and cover the face, but it is not required but liked.

Taibah

[snowman]

Originally posted by Taibah
ooops posting at the same time

I'm asking this because I have seen different muslim women dressing differently. Like in Afghansitan, women cover themselves from Head to Toe, in Saudi Arabia, they cover from head to toe but leave an opening for eyes, in Iran they cover their hair but leave hands uncovered. In Turkey, women don't cover their hair.


This is just a cultural practice the different types of dress, the basic requirements is garments that cover your shape and covering of the hair (for ladies) Some choose to go further and cover the face, but it is not required but liked.

Taibah

Thanks for the response.

I'm a little confused now. From your original post, you said Hijab was mandatory. So (apart from cultural practices) from Islamic point of view, exactly what is mandatory?

[Taibah]

Sorry for the confusion

Mandantory is something that is clear from the teachings of the Quran and Hadith (sayings and teachings of the Prophet pbuh) Meaning there is no confusion on the issue (such as pork for example)

What I meant by cultural is the actual "style" of the dress. So for example in Saudi arabia, they tend to wear all black, afganistan they were the burka (shapeless tent thing). The mandantory part is the covering of the body so that it doesn't show your shape and covering the hair. Only the hands and face should be visible. (that is how it is commanded)

Ask away if you find my posts confusing :)

taibah

[Noor]

An Abaya or Jilbab is a dress that covers the full body of a Muslim woman from the top to bottom. Abaya is like a long coat worn over a dress, whereas Jilbab is a dress and you don't wear a dress underneath it.

Hijab actually is taken from an arabic word meaning hijaba which means to conceal. It is actually a head scarf to cover the head, hair, ears and neck. It also means a modest covering of a woman (Muslim).

Burka or Niqab is worn to cover the face where some may cover the face including the eyes but others may cover the whole face except for the eyes.

In Islam covering of head is mandatory for a woman and also wearing lose clothes which should not reveal her shape. And Like Taibah said, covering of face and hands is not an obligation.

Noor

[Hashman]

Originally posted by Taibah
There is a hijab for men as well, Men should always cover from their navel to their knees.That's the guideline that Sunnis follow, but it's slightly different for Shias... Shia scholars are pretty much unanimous that it's just the "private parts" (front and back) that are obligatory for men to cover. However, the usual practice is to not expose more than the norm in the particular society.

(Because one of the reasons for hijab is to prevent lustful thoughts from the 'looker', maybe it could even be argued that Kaysar should be fully covered including a niqab [face veil] because of some of the thoughts women and men have apparently been having about him...but that's a little extreme. :D )

[alexandria]

Thanks for the answers. :) Greatly appreciated!

I saw a very interesting segment on TV last night on a weekly program called "Let the Q'uran Speak" in which Islamic scholars/experts & imams discuss different facets of the religion. Ironically enough, they were talking about the hijab. I just thought it was interesting that more than a few of them came to the consensus that the hijab is not a mandatory religious practice for women. Modesty, above all else, is the main issue. You can dress appropriately without wearing the head scarf.

Which brings me to another point.. I don't know if this is a problem for other Muslim women who don't wear the hijab but I do run into a lot of Muslims who insist on judging me for not covering my head. I've even had them asking me if I'm afraid of going to hell.. it's crazy! I think it's sad, because religion is something personal between you & your God. If I ever choose to wear a hijab in the future, it won't be because of pressure from other people.. and furthermore, isn't it a sin to judge others?

[iraqigurl]

hi kaysar

wow a lot of girls are in love with u now wich are u gonna choose lol
and micheal is hot too but hes not avialabe so ppl can ttell him that . who do u guys think is gonna win ivette or fagie.
bye

[snowman]

Originally posted by alexandria
Thanks for the answers. :) Greatly appreciated!

I saw a very interesting segment on TV last night on a weekly program called "Let the Q'uran Speak" in which Islamic scholars/experts & imams discuss different facets of the religion. Ironically enough, they were talking about the hijab. I just thought it was interesting that more than a few of them came to the consensus that the hijab is not a mandatory religious practice for women. Modesty, above all else, is the main issue. You can dress appropriately without wearing the head scarf.

Which brings me to another point.. I don't know if this is a problem for other Muslim women who don't wear the hijab but I do run into a lot of Muslims who insist on judging me for not covering my head. I've even had them asking me if I'm afraid of going to hell.. it's crazy! I think it's sad, because religion is something personal between you & your God. If I ever choose to wear a hijab in the future, it won't be because of pressure from other people.. and furthermore, isn't it a sin to judge others?

You should read Fatima Mernissi's "The Veil and the Male Elite". I believe it explains how burqa and other forms of hijab became a common in islamic countries. She mentioned that Sukayna great grand daughter of prophet Muhammad refused to wear Hijab.

[bint_alislam]

Originally posted by alexandria
Thanks for the answers. :) Greatly appreciated!

I saw a very interesting segment on TV last night on a weekly program called "Let the Q'uran Speak" in which Islamic scholars/experts & imams discuss different facets of the religion. Ironically enough, they were talking about the hijab. I just thought it was interesting that more than a few of them came to the consensus that the hijab is not a mandatory religious practice for women. Modesty, above all else, is the main issue. You can dress appropriately without wearing the head scarf.

Which brings me to another point.. I don't know if this is a problem for other Muslim women who don't wear the hijab but I do run into a lot of Muslims who insist on judging me for not covering my head. I've even had them asking me if I'm afraid of going to hell.. it's crazy! I think it's sad, because religion is something personal between you & your God. If I ever choose to wear a hijab in the future, it won't be because of pressure from other people.. and furthermore, isn't it a sin to judge others?

I agree with you there, I dont think it is anyone's business if someone wears the hijab or not it is more important to be modest and be good from the inside. You have to do what you feel comfortable with and what you think is right and what you think god demands of you. I started wearing the hijab three years ago and before that i have had people come up to me and say similar things that you mentioned but some comments people made were very acceptable and others I found offensive. I mean giving advise (nasiha) is part of the islamic religion and its is sort of a duty but there are ways of doing it and I know a lot of people dont do it the right way and I can see how that is making you feel. But as you said it is something between you and god. What I did is I just told them inshallah and read on my own books about hijab and did what made me feel most comfortable and what I thought was right no matter what people told me. I think that this isnt only about hijab but also about religion. You have to read about different religions and study them and choose which you think is right for you. I was born a muslim but that isnt why I am a muslim today. I have read so much about different religions and I have questioned my existance several times until god showed me the way and now I feel very lucky and comfortable for finding out who I am and why I am here.
oops sry if I said too much :P

[Hashman]

Originally posted by snowman
You should read Fatima Mernissi's "The Veil and the Male Elite". I believe it explains how burqa and other forms of hijab became a common in islamic countries. She mentioned that Sukayna great grand daughter of prophet Muhammad refused to wear Hijab. What Mernissi's book says is that Sukayna was a "barza" woman, which she defined as someone that "does not hide her face and does not lower her head", "is seen by people and who receives visitors at home", "has sound judgement", and is known for her ability to reason.

So she could very well have worn a headscarf, even if her hijab wasn't to the extent of the face veil that was common at the time. :) (That's all assuming the author's sources are accurate, of course...)

[stnglassd]

I find this information extremely interesting. Wish more guest would have asked Kaysar more about it all. I know I would have! I do wonder what is proper when visiting in the home of Muslims? How do they view American women that are so far from modest? I think the traditions are so special, they have lasted for so many years. To know how uncomfortable it must be to be fully dressed, and so loyal to your religion is quite special. Thank you for taking all the time to answer all of our questions.

[snowman]

Originally posted by Hashman
Originally posted by snowman
You should read Fatima Mernissi's "The Veil and the Male Elite". I believe it explains how burqa and other forms of hijab became a common in islamic countries. She mentioned that Sukayna great grand daughter of prophet Muhammad refused to wear Hijab. What Mernissi's book says is that Sukayna was a "barza" woman, which she defined as someone that "does not hide her face and does not lower her head", "is seen by people and who receives visitors at home", "has sound judgement", and is known for her ability to reason.

So she could very well have worn a headscarf, even if her hijab wasn't to the extent of the face veil that was common at the time. :) (That's all assuming the author's sources are accurate, of course...)

That is the thing, definition of Hijab is subject to different interpretations of Quran. Different forms of Hijab (Burqa, Chador, or Head scarf) are based on different meanings of the same verses of Koran. I have seen several web sites that'll tell you that women must cover head to toe and I have seen web sites that suggest that even headscarf is not mandatory.

I'm not sure if Sukayna refused to wear the veil or she refused to wear headscarf as well. But, the important thing is that she changed interpretation of religion at her time. She challanged males of her time. Most importantly she wrote her own rules.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

“And tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest…And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent….”

(Qor’an: Chapter 24, Verses 30-31)

Why Do Muslims Have a Dress Code?

Islam does not forbid men and women to interact, but enjoins them to adopt a code of behaviour characterized by modesty so that they may treat one another with full and appropriate respect. Islamic modest behaviour consists of piety and mutual respect, as well as a standard of dress often identified by the headscarves worn by Muslim women.

Lower Your Gaze for the Good of Your Spirit

The philosophy behind what is commonly called Hejab – Islamic modest dress – is rooted in the concept of guarding one’s senses from anything that may lessen one’s innocence. Imam ‘Ali, the cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet of Islam (may peace be upon him and his family), said,

“The eye is the spy of the hearts and the messenger of the intellect; therefore lower your gaze from whatever is not appropriate to your faith...”
Lantern of the Path

In the modern world, our senses are bombarded from all directions with a plethora of sights, sounds, and smells. Islam teaches us to control what our senses are exposed to since our experiences affect us externally as well as spiritually. A smell of perfume may call to mind a distant memory of one’s grandmother; the sound of fireworks may startle and bring forth an image of war; the sight of a beautiful woman in a revealing dress may bring feelings of unwanted and inappropriate arousal.

When our senses witness immorality, crime, or debauchery, even though we are not guilty of committing the offence, we lose a degree of innocence. We all hold childhood memories of a moment when we went through such a loss of innocence. What was once something shocking or held in special status falls into the realm of the ordinary.

In Islam, it is not only for parents to carefully guard what their children are exposed to, but it is for the adults to also guard themselves. Failure to do so can eventually lead to spiritual sickness.

Thus, the larger philosophy behind Hejab is one of maintaining dignity and purity and applies to all facets of life and not exclusively to dress. We must prevent ourselves from looking at the opposite sex in a lustful way, and we must dress so that we are regarded with respect.

The Proper Observance of Hejab

The Qor’an addresses Islamic modest dress as follows:

“And tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to [those relatives who fall within bounds of close relationship explained in the Qor’an]...”
Chapter 24, Verses 30-31.

The purpose of this modesty is to maintain the dignity of both men and women when they interact.

First, men are required to take the lead in respecting women. They should not engage in or approve of any activity which objectifies or demeans a woman. They are also required to cast down their gazes in humility and to observe the general philosophy of modesty of the heart and dress. They must wear decent clothing and avoid activities and places that will cause them to witness that which they should not.

Hejab does not prevent men and women from interacting for the purpose of study, work, performing good deeds, and so on. Rather, when Hejab is mutually observed, such interactions will take place in sincerity of purpose and devoid of impropriety.

Women should respect themselves as dignified beings and interact with men in purity. They should not modify their behaviour around men so as to seem invitingly attractive or flirtatiously pleasing and thus allow themselves to be objectified.

When among men who are not close relatives, women should dress modestly so that their adornment (source of beauty and attraction) is covered. Muslim scholars unanimously state that a woman should respectably cover all except her hands and face. Muslim women fulfil this requirement by wearing loose fitting clothing and covering their hair with scarves.

The requirements for modest dress differ between the sexes due to fundamental biological distinctions and causes of attraction. One will observe these distinctions in Western society where a relatively small number of women read pornographic magazines or visit prostitutes when compared to men who engage in such activities.

Contrary to some views, Hejab is not a sign of inferiority of woman nor is it imposed upon her by the opposite sex. Before God, men and women are distinguished from one another only in terms of individual piety. When observing modest dress, before one another, they are distinguished by non-physical characteristics such as intellect and integrity.

Islamic modest dress does not socially suffocate women by denying them free and necessary movement, expression of opinion, education, health care and other human rights. Rather, Hejab assists in building a sound society and reduces the number of crimes such as rape and molestation since a possible stimulus for such crimes is not present when Hejab is observed. Observance of Hejab is part of a larger system in Islam that when properly followed maintains the dignity of men, women, and society as a whole.

What do Muslim Women Really Think About Hejab?

“I can feel the extra respect coming my way. People take me more seriously, and I feel protected and confident when I step out.” Dr. Mrs. N.Z. Vakil, M.D

[Ali al-Mahdi]

Islamic law doesn't change. People change Islamic law! :(

[blueeyesdebbie22]

I love what Kaysar stand for!

[Pam2]

me to

[blueeyesdebbie22]

Kaysar is how every man should be! He is the best example of what we can teach our sons to be and act, with a kind heart, and soul of an angel

[cyounus]

Originally posted by blueeyesdebbie22
Kaysar is how every man should be! He is the best example of what we can teach our sons to be and act, with a kind heart, and soul of an angel

Keeping this thread on the subject of the origianl question of hajab is the best way to show your support for Kaysar. acknowladging anything else would be degrading yourself.

[Laayla]

You should read Fatima Mernissi's "The Veil and the Male Elite". I believe it explains how burqa and other forms of hijab became a common in islamic countries. She mentioned that Sukayna great grand daughter of prophet Muhammad refused to wear Hijab.

If Mernissi wrote that about Sayyida Sukayna that is a gross lie. She needs to reread history and understand the meaning behind what happened with the sabayah of Imam al Hussain 3la Salam.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

Sayyedah Fatemah az-Zahra (SA), the daughter of Nabi Mohammad (S) was very adamant about the importance of hejab. There are many ahadith explaining its importance and role. Why wouldn't a woman want to wear hejab?!

[Laayla]

Salam brother 3li.

We live in a time and age where being chaste and modest is something of the past, unfortuantly.

Look how they depreciate women on magazines, commericials and anything with advertising. min jad it's sick.

[Ladyjinx]

Salam brother 3li.

We live in a time and age where being chaste and modest is something of the past, unfortuantly.

Look how they depreciate women on magazines, commericials and anything with advertising. min jad it's sick.
Not only do the depreciate women with those magazines but it makes young girls grow up thinking they must look like those air-brushed picture perfect women. Leading to eating disorders and sickness, and low self esteem. ( i know its off topic but this made me think of all that.)

[STella668]

So here's one I've been wondering a while.

About every 18 months, I donate hair to www.locksoflove.org (http://www.locksoflove.org) so they can make wigs for kids who've had chemo or other conditions that make them self-conscious/upset about shiny scalps. (Because MY hair is gray, they sell it and use the proceeds to fund the construction. It's a worthy charity, I think, and people who choose to go to a salon can find, through their site, places that will give free haircuts in return for a donation.)

So I can harvest the maximum possible length of hair, I scissor right to the scalp, and then shave my head shiny. Doesn't last long, my hair grows pretty fast, but during the brief time when I have no hair to show, if I were usually wearing a headscarf, would it be odd to leave it off?

Is the issue covering the hair, which I would not, that day, have, or that part of the body which usually DOES have hair growing on it?

ST*, not Muslim, not poking fun, curious, and currently wearing about an inch of hair because I learned the hard way "never shave your head at the start of rainy season"!

[herocksmyran]

I think a lot of individuals (including myself at one point in my life) are misinformed about the true nature of the hijab.
It's important to translate the term properly. The notion of hijab is not an object. As opposed to many people's views within islam and outside of islam, the hijab is not something you wear. By keeping the 'hijab' a muslim is not simply wearing a head scarf or a burka or a chador- keeping the hijab refers to the practise of modesty, not only in dress but in actions, relations etc etc. So yes, the by covering your body and protecting your sanctity in that sense you are practising hijab.

Moreover, a lot of men and women are further misinformed that the hijab is only reflected in women. This is absolutely false. The practise of modesty in Islam is required of both men and women outside of their respective family spheres. Therefore, men must practise a form of 'modest'y as well and they do this in what they wear just like women. For example, in the Islamic Republic of Iran while women are required to cover their heads and wear a jacket that covers their arms etc etc, men are restricted from wearing wife beaters and shorts- they must at all times wear long trousers and at the bare minimum a short sleeved shirt.

It really bothers me that most people refer to the hijab solely to women, and I hope that this point of view shifts over time. I'm confident it will, but as with everything else change doesn't happen over night.

Nesa

[Hashman]

Excellent points, Nesa. :)

Many Muslims also believe that modesty also applies to the beauty of a woman's voice. http://al-islam.org/modestdress/6.htm says:
But it is forbidden for a woman to make her voice very pleasant and attractive so as to cause confusion in a man whereby a man who has a sickness in his heart hears her voice, and gets attracted to it through lust.

This is among the things which are very clear. It is permissible to hear the voice of a non-mahram woman as long as her voice is normal and not one to cause lust or arouse the fear of deviating.

The verse of the Holy Quran is clear. It does not say women should not speak. No. It says they should not change the tone of their voice. Women continuously went to the Holy Prophet and to the Imams and asked the questions they had. This is clear.

The verse referenced there is Surah 33, Ayat 32, which says:
"If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word."
(Translations don't do justice to the meaning of that part of the verse)



men are restricted from wearing wife beatersDo you think they call them that over there, too? :hmmmm:
:D

[herocksmyran]

considering their first language isn't english i highly doubt that they'd be using anglo-slang.
and if you were trying to be punny.. i hate puns. but a 'ha-ha' is in order, i guess.

and now for some beer. cause i'm not muslim and i'm allowed to get drunk whenever i want..:cheers:

cheers

[Ladyjinx]

I think doing anything purposfully to cause lust in someone other then your spouse would be non-modest. Thats why we normally call people who do things like that bold.
I'm very curous about stellas question though, what if a woman has no hair? Does she still need to cover her head?

[herocksmyran]

I think doing anything purposfully to cause lust in someone other then your spouse would be non-modest. Thats why we normally call people who do things like that bold.
I'm very curous about stellas question though, what if a woman has no hair? Does she still need to cover her head?

It's quite difficult to control lust in another person. Even when socialized in a way to prevent attraction to the opposite sex it will occurr because it is an innate human characteristic. Many Islamic philosophers and scholars have made this arguement believing that both men and women are lustful creatures but that controlling that lust coupled with practising hijab is considered proper. I think it was Ali Shariati that said something along those lines; either way, you can't prevent being attracted to and attracting attention it's only considered negative when it's acted on. Or in other words being tempted is okay because one can reject temptation, but acting on temptation is a sin.

I don't hold this belief, but I know a few people that like to pretend they live life in this way. Some call them believers I call them hypocrits, but that's another story.

[Ladyjinx]

I agree with you that you cannot control lust in another person. It is up to that person to control themselves, you can do everything humanly possable to discourage someones attention and they can still be attracted to you or vice versa.
However you can intentionally tempt someone. And that is what i mean by being bold.

[Ski-Bunny]

I don't hold this belief, but I know a few people that like to pretend they live life in this way. Some call them believers I call them hypocrits, but that's another story.

Welcome Nesa,
You are an entertaining writer. When do we get to hear that other story?? :smokewink

[subermodel]

I'd like to move away slightly from discussing whether hijab is mandatory or not, when to wear it, how, etc.... Instead, I'd like to talk about what it could mean for someone, because I feel there is something very powerful there that people often miss. I'm going into my 12th year of wearing hijab, began wearing it when I was 12 years old, on the first day of 8th grade. In all honesty, over the past 11 years, there were and are times when I didn't like wearing it (for various reasons, each of which I appreciate because it's challenged me to think deeper and look farther down the line to what I want from my life), but I will never take it off because I appreciate the protection, respect, and challenges that I get from the hijab. I feel that when people see me wearing a hijab, they check themself as to how they are talking and what they are doing. I feel people act more respectfully toward me and in front of me. I also believe that wearing the hijab reminds me that I need to be a better person and not put myself into situations where I will be harmed (physically, mentally, emotionally) or inflict harm upon someone else. It takes a lot of confidence and inner strength to walk through a crowd with all eyes on you, but it also helps build confidence and character when you know that you can represent good values and set a good example. I believe we all have to live by example, and I get so much pleasure from knowing that people look to women who wear the hijab and appreciate her strength/respect her for who she is. I think it is important to look at these points and try to embody them, whether you are a man or woman and regardless of whether you wear a hijab or not.

[Path2Felicity]

I'd like to move away slightly from discussing whether hijab is mandatory or not, when to wear it, how, etc.... Instead, I'd like to talk about what it could mean for someone, because I feel there is something very powerful there that people often miss. I'm going into my 12th year of wearing hijab, began wearing it when I was 12 years old, on the first day of 8th grade. In all honesty, over the past 11 years, there were and are times when I didn't like wearing it (for various reasons, each of which I appreciate because it's challenged me to think deeper and look farther down the line to what I want from my life), but I will never take it off because I appreciate the protection, respect, and challenges that I get from the hijab. I feel that when people see me wearing a hijab, they check themself as to how they are talking and what they are doing. I feel people act more respectfully toward me and in front of me. I also believe that wearing the hijab reminds me that I need to be a better person and not put myself into situations where I will be harmed (physically, mentally, emotionally) or inflict harm upon someone else. It takes a lot of confidence and inner strength to walk through a crowd with all eyes on you, but it also helps build confidence and character when you know that you can represent good values and set a good example. I believe we all have to live by example, and I get so much pleasure from knowing that people look to women who wear the hijab and appreciate her strength/respect her for who she is. I think it is important to look at these points and try to embody them, whether you are a man or woman and regardless of whether you wear a hijab or not.

Masha'Allah :) You brought up some really nice points. May God bless you and give you strength to do what you believe is right :)

[Nadirah]

I'd like to move away slightly from discussing whether hijab is mandatory or not, when to wear it, how, etc.... Instead, I'd like to talk about what it could mean for someone, because I feel there is something very powerful there that people often miss. I'm going into my 12th year of wearing hijab, began wearing it when I was 12 years old, on the first day of 8th grade. In all honesty, over the past 11 years, there were and are times when I didn't like wearing it (for various reasons, each of which I appreciate because it's challenged me to think deeper and look farther down the line to what I want from my life), but I will never take it off because I appreciate the protection, respect, and challenges that I get from the hijab. I feel that when people see me wearing a hijab, they check themself as to how they are talking and what they are doing. I feel people act more respectfully toward me and in front of me. I also believe that wearing the hijab reminds me that I need to be a better person and not put myself into situations where I will be harmed (physically, mentally, emotionally) or inflict harm upon someone else. It takes a lot of confidence and inner strength to walk through a crowd with all eyes on you, but it also helps build confidence and character when you know that you can represent good values and set a good example. I believe we all have to live by example, and I get so much pleasure from knowing that people look to women who wear the hijab and appreciate her strength/respect her for who she is. I think it is important to look at these points and try to embody them, whether you are a man or woman and regardless of whether you wear a hijab or not.

Thank you, Subermodel. That was beautifully said, and you express how I have always felt. It has been 30 years for me, and I have 3 daughters in their 20's who have worn their head covering and dressed modestly since even before puberty (strict father). I was just listening to a lecture by Humza Yusuf in San Francisco the other day as he described how each Muslim on their jobs or walking around anywhere may be the only Muslim someone ever sees or meets or talks with. He mentioned how that person may not have known to notice us or come up to us if we weren't dressed in our garments. And, of course, that places on each of us a great responsibility to represent Islam well. May Allah bless and protect and guide us all.

[davidsmom]

C has said many times that she wears Hijab and is proudand passionate of it. Because she is not here at the moment and I know she would not mind, I am bringing this over from another thread.
Also. I would like to ask about other professions that would or could be a hazzard to your health/life. Do you agree/disagree that at those times you are allowed to remove you hijab?
I was sent a u2u asking about why I do not wear Hijab at work. the question was a response to the following post from another thread.

Lady,
the best thing to do when you are meeting someone just keep your hands folded to your back and give a nod with your head.

As I said earlier, there is not a NO TOUCHING rule because there are times when you have to. To Give example. If I am doing a facade inspection and I am 30 stories up, 1. I can not wear my hijab, 2 I will have to take the hand of an employee to steep on and off the schaffel and then if I am leaning they might have to hold me. This is not casual contact in a social geathering and it can not be avoid. I can name several situations were I HAVE to have contact with my employees. About 1/2 of them are Muslim, 1/4 Punjabi Sikh's and the 1/4 mixed. What I find interesting is that when I am on a job site and some one comes to great me, it is NOT one of my Muslim brothers that will run up and stand to the right and just a few inches in front of me. It is my Sikhs. Amerjit would not think about letting someone come within 3 feet of me and Sobi will always be watching. Even if it is our client or a city offical it dosen't matter. I do wish that my "brothers" were the ones that were so protective.


To answer the u2u from Lion:

I do wear Hijab at work but at times for my own safty I do have to remove it. I work at an Arch/Eng Company and we have a sister construction company. The example above is just one of many. When one is on the outside of a building and you are 30 stories up (300+feet) and you are not tied to that building, you need to have no restrestions of any kind. If it makes a anyoone feel better I do wear a bright pink hardhat :).

One of the most beautiful things about our religion is the following

Surah 22:78
You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion-the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.

[Nadirah]

I was reading some Hadiths tonight and thought some of these might apply here...

Sahih Bukhari Hadiths

Hadith 1:38

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights." (See Fath-ul-Bari, Page 102, Vol 1).

Hadith 1:1

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for."

Note: We had mentioned "Haya" earlier...
Hadith 1:8

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Faith (Belief) consists of more than sixty branches (i.e. parts). And Haya (This term "Haya" covers a large number of concepts which are to be taken together; amongst them are self respect, modesty, bashfulness, and scruple, etc.) is a part of faith."

Hadith 1:9

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:
The Prophet said, "A Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. And a Muhajir (emigrant) is the one who gives up (abandons) all what Allah has forbidden."

Hadith 1:10

Narrated Abu Musa:
Some people asked Allah's Apostle, "Whose Islam is the best? i.e. (Who is a very good Muslim)?" He replied, "One who avoids harming the Muslims with his tongue and hands."

[Ladyjinx]

I'd like to move away slightly from discussing whether hijab is mandatory or not, when to wear it, how, etc.... Instead, I'd like to talk about what it could mean for someone, because I feel there is something very powerful there that people often miss. I'm going into my 12th year of wearing hijab, began wearing it when I was 12 years old, on the first day of 8th grade. In all honesty, over the past 11 years, there were and are times when I didn't like wearing it (for various reasons, each of which I appreciate because it's challenged me to think deeper and look farther down the line to what I want from my life), but I will never take it off because I appreciate the protection, respect, and challenges that I get from the hijab. I feel that when people see me wearing a hijab, they check themself as to how they are talking and what they are doing. I feel people act more respectfully toward me and in front of me. I also believe that wearing the hijab reminds me that I need to be a better person and not put myself into situations where I will be harmed (physically, mentally, emotionally) or inflict harm upon someone else. It takes a lot of confidence and inner strength to walk through a crowd with all eyes on you, but it also helps build confidence and character when you know that you can represent good values and set a good example. I believe we all have to live by example, and I get so much pleasure from knowing that people look to women who wear the hijab and appreciate her strength/respect her for who she is. I think it is important to look at these points and try to embody them, whether you are a man or woman and regardless of whether you wear a hijab or not.
Before coming to this board and learning the reasoning behind the hijab if i had seen a muslim woman i would of felt sorry for her, thinking she was being treated as a second class citizen.
I probably would of tried very hard to not look to closely at her for embarrasement out of what my preconcieved notions of her life where. However since coming here and learning what i have and reading some of the beautiful articles of women and hijab now i would see a strong and beautiful woman. Shy as i am in real life i might even apraoch her to tell her how much i admire her for being a covered woman and the courage i think it takes to be one in this country.

[davidsmom]

I know what you mean. I would look as someone and think "well they grew up in another culture and do not know any better" and then you hear about western women who convert and you ask yourself "why would they go backwards or let themselves be treated like that?" and then you meet women like Cyounus and Nadirah and you find out. It's not going backwards at all. Infact in some ways they are more liberal than the rest of us and has to be stronger in somecases. This is actually a chose they made and not forced by their husbands or fathers.

[Path2Felicity]

I just wanted to post these two links-

This song that I am about to post is sung by a man named Dawud Wharnsby. He is an American Convert, and he sings songs for children, and sometimes for adults :D It's about hijab.

And just a little background on him. I met his sister in law at an Islamic conference once. Apparantly, when he first met his wife, she was not wearing hijab, and he had prayed that nobody would harass her or give her trouble or judge her for doing so. But later on, she did adopt the hijab, so he tells audiences that this song is special to him.

The first link has the lyrics and is a little shorter:

http://www.unc.edu/depts/europe/conferences/Veil2000/lyrics/theveil.htm

The second link is the "live" version of it - I would recommend watching it because he added some words to it, and it's beautiful. :D :

http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/modules.php?name=Stream2&file=index&lid=384&num=0

Please let me know if the links do not work for you. Enjoy!!!

Wasalaam

[zuhra]

The Way I am Dressed
You look at me and call me oppressed,
Simply because of the way I'm dressed,
You know me not for what's inside,
You judge the clothing I wear with pride,
My body's not for your eyes to hold,
You must speak to my mind, not my feminine mold,
I'm an individual, I'm no mans slave,
It's Allah's pleasure that I only crave,
I have a voice so I will be heard,
For in my heart I carry His word,
"O ye women, wrap close your cloak,
So you won't be bothered by ignorant folk",
Man doesn't tell me to dress this way,
It's a Law from God that I obey,
Oppressed is something I'm truly NOT,
For liberation is what I've got,
It was given to me many years ago,
With the right to prosper, the right to grow,
I can climb mountains or cross the seas,
Expand my mind in all degrees,
For God Himself gave us LIB-ER-TY,
When He sent Islam,
To You and Me!

I read this somewhere and I thought to share it with you guys.

[Nadirah]

You all have no idea how much what you are saying here means to me personally. Both the lyrics and the poem are so descriptive - I'll share them with my daughters. Alhamdulillah! :hearts: In fact, you all touched my heart so much I had to leave my desk and hide out in the ladies' room because of the tears...

I am so amazed that God has brought together such a special group of people - so bright, so diverse and yet so similar, so accepting, inclusive - I think I am done in for today!

May Allah bless, guide, and protect us all!

[herocksmyran]

Zuhra: really touching poem. I must say that when I went to Iran for the first time (I'm persian) 2 years ago, even in the august heat of dry tehran, I felt quite proud wearing a roosari (headscarf). I'm not muslim, but I appreciate the sentiments that come with, as a woman, covering your body.

I've always found that women who show less have more to offer in wisdom and intelligence. That energy fed off me in Iran and I carry it still here in canada. and again when I was in sri lanka in spring, I found I was respected much more when I wore conservative clothing and occassionally covered my head. In canada now that it's getting colder I find myself wrapping my pashmena over my head and even here, now, i get some odd looks but never negative.

I love seeing muslim women wearing their head scarves, it makes me smile.
But my previous post still stands, I think the notion of a headscarf is just a symbol of an idea that all individuals, muslim or not, should follow.

anyways, that's my 2 cents.

[Ali al-Mahdi]

I'm very impressed that non-Muslims understand the importance of Hejab.

Hale shoma khoubi "herocksmyran"? :)
I totally agree with your sentence: "I think the notion of a headscarf is just a symbol of an idea that all individuals, Muslim or not, should follow." I'm impressed that a non-Muslim believes this! :)
Ahsant!

[herocksmyran]

halem khele khoubai, merci, shoma chetori? (farsi-english blows)

I get criticised a lot for not being muslim, especially by my cousins, I was brought up by parents who were liberal, very liberal, and respected me as an equal. They taught me the meaning of morals and ethics and the value that each had for individuals within a society. They weren't practising muslims either. Actually the first exposure I had to Islam was when I started taking theology courses at university, then when I visited Iran.

I find it fascinating with the religion and I understand why many people follow it. If i were to be anything I thing it'd be a tie between buddhist or muslime, for sure. I'm glad I impressed you ;) lol

[Ali al-Mahdi]

Man khoubam, Khoda ro shokr. Khaili mamnoun.
I love Iran too. I want to go to Hawzeh in Qom al-Moqaddas when I'm done university.
Islam is a beautiful religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be anything else. :)

[iraqi shia]

Man khoubam, Khoda ro shokr. Khaili mamnoun.
I love Iran too. I want to go to Hawzeh in Qom al-Moqaddas when I'm done university.
Islam is a beautiful religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be anything else. :)


I agree

[zuhra]

Zuhra: really touching poem. I must say that when I went to Iran for the first time (I'm persian) 2 years ago, even in the august heat of dry tehran, I felt quite proud wearing a roosari (headscarf). I'm not muslim, but I appreciate the sentiments that come with, as a woman, covering your body.

I've always found that women who show less have more to offer in wisdom and intelligence. That energy fed off me in Iran and I carry it still here in canada. and again when I was in sri lanka in spring, I found I was respected much more when I wore conservative clothing and occassionally covered my head. In canada now that it's getting colder I find myself wrapping my pashmena over my head and even here, now, i get some odd looks but never negative.

I love seeing muslim women wearing their head scarves, it makes me smile.
But my previous post still stands, I think the notion of a headscarf is just a symbol of an idea that all individuals, muslim or not, should follow.

anyways, that's my 2 cents.

herocksmyran tashkor, merci....

Ali al-MahdiMan khoubam, Khoda ro shokr. Khaili mamnoun.
I love Iran too. I want to go to Hawzeh in Qom al-Moqaddas when I'm done university.
Islam is a beautiful religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be anything else. :)

Salam Ali I agree with you Islam is a beautiful Religion......;)

[Ski-Bunny]

I just wanted to post these two links-

This song that I am about to post is sung by a man named Dawud Wharnsby. He is an American Convert, and he sings songs for children, and sometimes for adults :D It's about hijab.

And just a little background on him. I met his sister in law at an Islamic conference once. Apparantly, when he first met his wife, she was not wearing hijab, and he had prayed that nobody would harass her or give her trouble or judge her for doing so. But later on, she did adopt the hijab, so he tells audiences that this song is special to him.

The first link has the lyrics and is a little shorter:

http://www.unc.edu/depts/europe/conferences/Veil2000/lyrics/theveil.htm

The second link is the "live" version of it - I would recommend watching it because he added some words to it, and it's beautiful. :D :

http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/modules.php?name=Stream2&file=index&lid=384&num=0

Please let me know if the links do not work for you. Enjoy!!!

Wasalaam

I play a lot of Celtic music - it can be very mournful and soothing or light and airy. I really like Dawud Wharnsby's Celtic flare to his Islamic arrangements - such an interesting mix - but it works. Thanks - I hadn't heard this piece. I think Hashman (?) has also mentioned his music.

[Hashman]

during the brief time when I have no hair to show, if I were usually wearing a headscarf, would it be odd to leave it off? Those who wear the headscarf follow the rule that everything except the face, hands, and feet must be covered. So it wouldn't matter if the head is bald...the headscarf would still be required. :)

[STella668]

Those who wear the headscarf follow the rule that everything except the face, hands, and feet must be covered. So it wouldn't matter if the head is bald...the headscarf would still be required. :)

Ah, that makes sense, indeed, and in any case, it'll be a while before I have enough hair to shave again..... right now I'm at the stage where I look like a dandelion just before some little kiddle picks it and blows dandelion seeds all over the neighborhood.

Thank you for the response, I have been checking back now and then, and hoped I wasn't offending..... it's much easier for me to "color inside the lines" when I know what the lines are, and why.... And now I know it's "only expose this", not "cover that".

ST*, who assumes this also means women of an age to have facial hair are not required to cover it since it is part of the face....